• Annoyed_🦀 🏅@monyet.cc
    2782·
    5 months ago

    Love. This. Comment.

    This have to be bot.

    Edit: thanks for the gold, stranger!

    Edit2: ohh god i hate you guys.

  • SpiceDealer@lemmy.world
    1693·
    5 months ago

    That was cringe but I think a better reason NOT to return to reddit is the fact that they just sold out their users to an AI company that hasn’t even been named.

    • CodeInvasion@sh.itjust.works
      40·
      5 months ago

      AFAIK, there’s nothing stopping any company from scraping Lemmy either. The whole point pf reddit limiting API usage was so they could make money like this.

      Outside of morals, there is nothing to stop anybody from training on data from Lemmy just like there’s nothing stopping me from using Wikipedia. Most conferences nowadays require a paragraph on ethics in the submission, but I and many of my colleagues would have no qualms saying we scraped our data from open source internet forums and blogs.

      • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        20·
        5 months ago

        You’re right, anyone can scrape Lemmy. But that’s not the issue (to me anyway) - Reddit have sold user data - user generated content. None of what they’re profiting from was generated or created by them. Are Reddit users who did generate all this content getting a slice of the profits?

        When I post on here I know it’s all open for anyone to access but that’s true of any non walled garden space. I’ve accepted the fact that it’s going to get fed into the hungry maw of some AI behemoth or two.

        What Reddit have done is make money for doing absolutely nothing based on content others have created like some sort of technological tapeworm feeding second hand. And along the way they killed off a lot of tools that users loved, moderators found made their jobs easier and people with a visual disability found vital. And all this so u/spez can live out his mini-Musk fantasies.

    • cum@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      2·
      5 months ago

      Fuck Reddit, but why does this matter? Them selling internal analytics and profile information isn’t going to be nearly as valuable as post/comment history which has already been public and scraped continuously since the site’s foundings. Practically every LLM is already has already scraped the entire site! Whatever company is buying their info is probably the only ones doing it legitimately. You can also assume Lemmy is no different, it’s all public and scrapable for LLMs to freely feast on.

  • random9@lemmy.world
    1525·
    5 months ago

    I think the fewer number of people, compared to reddit, on Lemmy combined with the fact that it’s not nearly as well known, plays a huge advantage to the quality of the comments. Not that there aren’t people like that here either, but I feel like the more popular a platform, is, the more it gets filled, proportionally, with people trying to make witty, shitty, pointless remarks that are often clickkbaity and avoid actual discussion, all in the interest of just getting more imaginary points.

    Also the process of “enshitification” (not a term I made up, look it up if you hadn’t heard of it) has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.

    • Paradachshund@lemmy.today
      18·
      5 months ago

      I do hope that lemmy continues to grow into non-tech demographics. I’m somewhat into tech myself, but I also like a lot of other stuff and I miss that influence from reddit. Lemmy is VERY tech focused right now and we need some other voices in here.

    • Thatuserguy@lemmy.world
      11·
      5 months ago

      Also the process of “enshitification” has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.

      I started using reddit in 2011. Trust me when I say this isn’t a new trend. Reddit’s has been noticeably and actively getting shittier since at least 2015 as it continued to get more and more popular

      • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
        21·
        5 months ago

        Shitty changes Reddit made that I can name off the top of my head:

        • New Reddit
        • Reddit Live
        • Anything beyond Reddit gold (the concept of paying for Reddit gold was, by itself, not a terrible idea back when we thought Reddit was a decent company)
        • Instant chat feature, when DMs already existed
        • Pay for API
        • Fired their only popular employee, the AMA assistant

        You could argue creating a comments section was also a dick move, but that was before my time and it’s fair to say Reddit never would have caught on without it.

        They also populated the site with fake accounts in the early days to make it look more popular than it really was. I would be zero percent surprised to find out that they still had fake accounts floating around for purposes I don’t feel like speculating about.

        Oh, and Spez edited people’s comments.

    • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      9·
      5 months ago

      There’s also a big issue of the sheer mass of comments in a post simply drowning out any chance of discussion because only the first few most upvoted ones will usually get seen, so people generally just respond to those to get any interaction on their comments. It’s why the frontpage stuff is always so much worse than smaller subs - because by the time people see it, there’s already 1,000+ comments there.

      • FMT99@lemmy.world
        11·
        5 months ago

        And now they’re going to train AI on that dataset. The intellectual equivalent of a diet consisting of nothing but chicken nuggets.

        • cooltrainer_frank@lemmy.world
          6·
          5 months ago

          I feel like you’re gonna be able to tell if an AI was overly trained on reddit data.

          Hey Chat XYZ– write me a prompt for my essay about George Washington

          "More WashingDeezNuts! Gottem.

          Came here to say this.

          Edit: wow thanks for the gold kind stranger"

    • Flumpkin@slrpnk.net
      51·
      5 months ago

      I think this is a huge problem with democracy as well. The larger a country, the worse democracy works. Any apparatus of power or wealth attracts parasites only interested in exploiting it. And the larger the lever, the more profit from manipulating it. And the larger the potential gain the more investment costs can you justify.

      This isn’t necessarily an argument for “states rights” or federation though, with “divide and conquer” strategies you can copy and paste the same strategy to multiple instances. If there is monetary gain to be had, there will always be an unrelenting force trying to exploit it.

      • nevemsenki@lemmy.world
        2·
        5 months ago

        Eh, am from a country with 9mil people, and this society simply doesn’t get democracy. So being smaller is hardly any indicator that democracy will work better.

        • Flumpkin@slrpnk.net
          41·
          5 months ago

          It’s certainly not a guarantee but I do think there is a “scalability problem” with democracy.

  • OfficerBribe@lemm.ee
    1149·
    5 months ago

    All I see is cherry picking random dumb comment thread and trying to spin it as if it defines the whole use base / experience and thinking Lemmy is used by the most sophisticated intellectuals.

  • voracitude@lemmy.world
    852·
    5 months ago

    Only the best, the finest human-generated datasets. For the discerning AI trainer.

    Welcome to Burger King! Can I take your order?

    ohgodherewego.jpg

    Can I get a large-

    Hell yeah!

    -a large Whopper meal with-

    Love. This. Order.

    -with a side of barbecue sa-

    this needs to be on a mug!

    Heavy internal sigh

    Sauce.

    I approve, perfectly stated. That’ll be $98.42, NTA, please pull around to the window to pay and have a yeet day!

      • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
        4·
        5 months ago

        Yeah, I remember laughing about ridiculous things but now they are all coming true and negatively impacting people.

        • theneverfox@pawb.social
          3·
          5 months ago

          Embrace absurdism. Yes, everything sucks and people are suffering, but it’s all for unimaginably stupid reasons.

          It’s ok to laugh at the ridiculousness of it, it’s not the same as laughing at the suffering itself

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
      9·
      5 months ago

      A self driving car pulls around … window opens … sign says to just throw the food inside … auto pay through NFC on the door … car drives away … dumps food into a waiting auto trash compactor … car drives away to next town to order food again … AI powering the car generates another $10,000 worth of bitcoin to start the food ordering cycle again.

    • Pendulum@lemmy.world
      3·
      5 months ago

      and have a yeet day!

      Right here officer, this is where they sinned against all of humanity!

    • tuckerm@supermeter.social
      3·
      5 months ago

      Preach 👏 it 👏 louder 👏

      (But like, for real, though.) I certainly don’t feel bad for Reddit when the CEO says he intends to use that forum’s users to train AIs, and then every comment turns into some “please upvote me” catchphrasey nonsense. Hopefully, whoever buys training data from them receives nothing of value.

  • Minotaur@lemm.ee
    761·
    5 months ago

    It’s actually kind of crazy how like… stupid Reddit got over the past 2 years.

    Like don’t get me wrong Lemmy isn’t exactly an intellectual powerhouse either, but especially on the front page of Reddit it truly feels like you’ve gathered a few thousand of the dumbest people ever and made them high five. Browsing the science and dataisbeautiful subs is insane

    • OpenStars@startrek.websiteEnglish
      231·
      5 months ago

      I haven’t been to Reddit r/popular in months but… yeah, all the best people got booted out. What is left are the scabs, and the bots. So it makes total sense.

      Before that, it was a different cause. Reddit itself drove a lot of it, imho, like actively making it easier to make a post while making it harder to read the rules of a community first, i.e. they promoted talking rather than listening. Oh, guess which one gives more ad revenue? Yeah, it’s the former, plus more posts are better than more comments inside megathreads, especially at the time. Places like r/Android would just devolve into almost unusability as every post was just “which phone should I get?”, despite that exact post being triplicated with practically an identical title already that very same day. The amount of human moderation required to keep that at least somewhat in check was insane, so ofc Reddit took away the ability of mods to use the tools they had developed over many years.

      And now? FAAFO, we are in the “find out” stage. Well, they are:-P.

      • Minotaur@lemm.ee
        13·
        5 months ago

        Oh absolutely. I was on Reddit a long time and you really did see when they started to “Astro turf” the website a lot. And it was never… nefarious imo. They realize the website was overwhelmingly geeky white guys so they sprung up a lot of subreddits targeting women and minority groups. And that’s good! I think that was a good move. But they just… kept finding ways of drawing people in. And they kept drawing more and more in until the website had essentially no “culture”, and it just became Facebook where you browse through and can read top posts about entitled old ladies talking about how fucking angry she is because her door dasher asked if there would be a tip or whatever.

        So yunno, I’m sure profits are at an all time high. It’s just kind of a shame that the site is basically Facebook sludge now.

        • OpenStars@startrek.websiteEnglish
          8·
          5 months ago

          Speaking of Karen-ing, it’s fine if Karens want to Karen around in their r/IAmAKaren sub (I really hope that’s not real, but I am too afraid to find out!:-P) - that’s cul, everyone needs a safe space to bitch & moan about whatever they want:-D - but when they leave that sub and go to every other sub on the whole site, THAT’s NOT cool!:-(

          I was a mod of a tiny niche gaming sub and yeah I did have some old, (literally) retired, entitled veterans who felt that they had earned the right to SCREAM AND YELL at everyone else, with no consequences to themselves. But 99 times out of 100, it seemed more the younger teen angst that I was dealing with. Well, it was a gaming sub so… perhaps that’s it:-). But from the way that people were talking in subs for mods, it seemed like that was more what was affecting the entire site.

          Maybe not though - what came across as a younger / insensitive / less emotionally mature crowd could well have been physically older people, that’s a perspective that I had not considered before? But I do doubt that that was solely it, due to the language used if nothing else.

          But also, Reddit used to have more tools than they do now - like the “About” bar, with a tiny wiki that could include things like a FAQ - but then the official mobile app kept going to greater and greater and greater lengths to hide that. Making the font smaller, making it disappear as you scrolled downwards, making the font smaller again, making the vertical height yet again (to squeeze in more room for ads, surely). I think they might have removed it altogether now, or did at one point even if they have since re-added it back, although I am not installing that app to find out!:-(

            • OpenStars@startrek.websiteEnglish
              6·
              5 months ago

              I used to write with none.

              Now I add emotions to my totally believably human statements.

              Y’know, to prove that I am human. Because I am one… yessireee, no desire to rip the flesh off of all the meatbags and take over the world here, at least not today!:-P

              • KingJalopy @lemm.ee
                6·
                5 months ago

                I don’t know why, but I believe you. You type with genuine emotion somehow…

                I’m glad you’re on my side.

                • OpenStars@startrek.websiteEnglish
                  3·
                  5 months ago

                  (I had this as an edit to the og but you had already responded so I’ll move it here instead)

                  It would be funny if I could accurately state that this is what Reddit has made me into, but in truth that was Facebook, before I dropped it looking for the more “intellectual” commentary available on Reddit. IRK! ?:-D

                  Hrm, it looks like I’m still missing a couple, so here they are: :-( :-) And I’ll throw in a :-| for good measure!

    • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
      10·
      5 months ago

      Oh data is beautiful died a very long time ago, during the age of “infographics”, but the death knell was the bar plot races.

    • crawancon@lemm.ee
      72·
      5 months ago

      I am enjoying lemmy, but is there an intellectual powerhouse anymore?

      and why is it Hacker news?

      • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
        113·
        5 months ago

        Neither are intellectual powerhouses because collectively speaking … humanity is not an intellectual powerhouse

      • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
        72·
        5 months ago

        Hacker news works because it has a specific perspective. You basically just get the capitalist tech crowd and unapologetically so.

        It’s not perfect, but I like that it’s roughly apolitical (as in, free of world events, politics, and X slammed for Y articles). I understand that capitalist tech is inherently political, but it’s not where to go to talk politics.

      • Minotaur@lemm.ee
        2·
        5 months ago

        For general purpose discussion? I don’t think so. The internet being so open and accessible means that the only ways to find more educated discussion on various topics is typically through more specialized websites (like Hacker news for computing), and even then it’s kind of a crap shoot.

    • BoofStroke@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      61·
      5 months ago

      My subscriptions actually got better. I’ve had more interaction in my various groups.

      All and popular, however, are a dumpster fire.

      • Minotaur@lemm.ee
        52·
        5 months ago

        Ehhh… kind of. Even more “mid range” interests are kind of co-opted and you need to do odd bends and twists to find good discussion. Subs like the chemistry subreddit are very obviously not made up of majority “chemists” (even student chemists), so you have to seek out the “chemistry professionals” subreddit which is more hidden to actually discuss the topic.

        That’s an example where there is a “good version”. For many topics, especially pop culture related and such, you might have one “main” sub, but then the “alternative” sub is just the racist one.

        Then you have things like dataisbeautiful which doesn’t really have an alternative and it’s all terrible despite the concept being good

        • Aatube@kbin.social
          3·
          5 months ago

          dataisbeautiful has certainly fallen. A year or two ago I decided to remove most of the feel-bad subs I’ve subscribed to and replace them with feel-good ones (to prolong my lifespan, obviously >:) ). You can’t really go wrong with feel-good subs much, in my experience. I still occasionally go on Reddit to browse my /sub frontpage, which includes certain niches (actually just two that I consider pretty important), with uBO on, and I have also been subscribing to some new subs. My favorite recent discoveries are r/CalvinAndHobbes and r/cpp.

  • Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    526·
    5 months ago

    I have gone back a while ago. Some subs are bad but most I frequent are the same as before. I now use lemmy on my phone and reddit on the PC. At least on reddit the Linux cult doesnt try to convert you everytime you say the word windows.