• xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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    Yea, Timmy. Wanna fight after school? Wait, you do? Well, I would, but my mommy said I can’t.

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      I’m old enough to remember that we had actual debates between opposing candidates, but I’m in my 40s and not interesting

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        Yep. I remember the McCain vs Obama debates. I remember thinking their policies were pretty similar, and either would probably govern decently enough. I wasn’t a Dem or Rep, though I had voted mostly blue thus far.

        But then McCain picked Palin as his running mate, and I saw the VP debates. And holy shit did that make the choice easy, and Red has just been getting more and more extreme ever since.

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          I think Republicans saw how popular Palin was, not just in spite of, but because she was so fucking dumb. Then they realized their voters didn’t really give a shit about policies, character, or the ability to govern. Their media bubble created the perfect atmosphere for a person like Trump to get elected. And they clearly have no problems with it, so they’ll continue the trend long after Trump’s cheeseburger clogged heart gives out.

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            The woman who was yelling that “Obama [was] an Arab” to McCain should have made it clear how screwed up the electorate was getting. McCains response was appropriate, but useless in the face of his racists voters.

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    by debate he means he will childishly shout over anyone he’s on stage with constant bullshit and juvenile rhetoric - no thanks. having seen trump in debates I honestly question anyone silly enough to try, he’ll never ‘debate’, he just gish gallops bullshit until his minders come to change his diapers.

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    So this means he’s Definitely refusing to debate him. What a shit. Murica, you vote this guy in and I think I’m all out of sympathy.

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      Trump loving America is not the majority of America. It’s not even half. It’s just the “voting age” almost-halfz which is what, 30% of all Americans?

      The reason Trump won in 2016 is because many people who didn’t like Hilary didn’t vote. And even so, Hilary got 2 million more votes than Trump.

      Then Trump lost to Biden. If he was so popular, he would have won a second term.

      So, no. Please don’t think that the majority of Americans are deplorables.

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        But what does all that count for when people are busier finding excuses to not vote for Biden than to vote against the orange Putin?

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          That doesn’t change the fact that Trump didn’t get reelected (which is almost always the norm in U.S. politics) because people realized their mistake. Biden ain’t a saint, but at least he’s not a scorched-Earth asshole like Trump, and most Americans know that.

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              Definitely not guaranteed, but again, I think most Americans learned their lesson with the Hilary/Trump fiasco. They thought Hilary winning was a given, it was guaranteed and, well, it wasn’t. So the America people wised up.

              When you hear that “people are losing faith in Biden,” you have to be reaaaally careful as to who is driving that narrative. Hint: the voices are not coming from within the room.

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        I don’t think that, but a trump win means not enough people with half a brain got out and voted. In an election like this that makes you every bit as deplorable as the Trump lovers.

        Not everyone in Soddom and Gomerra were terrible, but when enough fruits are sour you gotta just avoid the whole batch.

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          I don’t understand the point of your comment, but okay. The reality of the matter is, most American people abhor Trump, so they will make sure he stays a loser.

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        Yet you (America) still vote this guy in. Somethings rotten and wrong over there and you guys better figure it out.

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          We can’t pull a France. The police are already trigger happy and willing to work with non-police that have guns and just as trigger happy. You take charge for a bit and have your country become more influential ty.

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            Did you though? He’s running again with a good chance to become president, again.

            I can only speak for myself but I am sick and tired of the fate of the world hanging on whatever mentally deranged and unhinged extremist the US might elect every few years. Aren’t you supposed to be the oldest democracy in the world? I expect as much from countries like Russia or China but the US should do better.

            The world needs the US to do better.

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              Again, Trump is not president. He lost. He didn’t win a reelection. He couldn’t even, as the most powerful man on Earth (supposedly), overturn the elections. He will never see the inside of the White House again. Just make sure your vote counts.

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                In Germany we’ve something we call “wehrhafte Demokratie” which basically means a democracy capable of defending itself. There are measures in place (in theory) that prevent parties that aim to destroy the democracy from getting into power by winning elections.

                Someone who openly admits his goal is to end democracy shouldn’t be able to run for president. It’s what happened in Germany back in 1933. The NSDAP won the general election and took over the government via democratic means and within weeks destroyed the democracy. Never again (hopefully)

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      Dude it’s not me, it’s them. There’s a weird division in this country and for some reason there are people on the other side.

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      There’s zero chance his handlers will let him debate anyone, let alone Biden. I’m not saying Biden is fantastic or anything, it’s just that Trump is unable to string coherent thoughts together anymore. It’s never been his forté, but these days? Sheesh. Dude’s not making any sense at all and can barely read from the teleprompter. Intelligently coming up with retorts on the fly in a debate? I doubt he’ll even understand why Obama’s suddenly an elderly white guy.

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      He’s cowardly backed away from all debates. Him saying this doesn’t mean this has changed. It’s just posturing. He never would have an actual fair head-to-head debate with Biden. He’ll either say anything fair is unfair so he won’t participate or hell say he can’t make it for some reason.

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    Trump doesn’t debate anyone ever. He shows up and steamrolls the other person with his version of reality.

    And when he’s done, he flips the table, shits on it, and then declares victory…

    …and his base fucking eats it up with a -smile.-

    It’s baffling.

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      The kind of people that eat up his “debating” style are people who treat the idea of an open debate of concepts the same way - that is to say that they’d be flipping tables and shitting everywhere themselves. They’re uneducated and hold unqualified and unjustifiable positions, and the only way to maintain those positions is to simply ignore or reject all rhetoric to the contrary.

      They eat it up because that’s exactly how they’d act when faced with reason, logic, facts or statistics.

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        That’s what really throws me for a loop. There are a lot of dumb people that think he’s smart, but there are also a lot of smart people that buy into it too… Is fear really that powerful? It is, I know… But damn…

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        But were they debates? Can we really call them that?

        I know that’s what the forum called for, but I saw zero debating.

        Jerry Springer episodes had more debating going on.

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          I mean, that’s a nice opinion and all, but yeah. Technically yes, those were debates. That one of the debaters was poorly prepared is another thing.

          In a professional car race, if one of the drivers decides to hit reverse se whole time, is it fair to tell the one that plays by the rules “oh no, you don’t deserve the winner title because that wasn’t even a race”?

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            If there were only two cars would it have been a race?

            It was called a race, people expected to see a race, but no race took place.

            It was not a race.

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              Yes. It would have been called a race.

              Let’s give you a better example, then. A boxing match.

              One of the boxers just runs around trying to touch the other contender’s butt.

              He gets disqualified.

              The other boxer wins the match.

              What the public (including you) thinks of it is irrelevant. The judges were there and ruled who won the match per the scenario presented.

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                Let me try it this way…

                If you had a coworker who got a new dog. They were excited and told everyone in the office about him.

                Couple months later this coworker throws a party. When you get to their house, they excitedly show you the new dog, but when what you see is clearly a cat.

                Which are you more likely to think? “What an interesting looking dog.” or “Sir, that is a cat.”

                He said it was a dog, and everyone attending was expecting to see a dog. It wasn’t a dog.

                How about this scenario:

                You have a disagreement with your neighbor about the property line. You mutually agree to settle it with a debate.

                Your neighbor spends the entire time talking over you, sidestepping virtually every point you make, blatantly lying, personally insulting you and airing grievances.

                You participate in good faith and the moderator decides that the property line should follow your plans.

                Did you and your neighbor engage in a debate?

                Here is an opinion: Donald Trump is neither classically or emotionally intelligent enough to engage in an actual, by definition, debate.

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                  Your first analogy is flawed. If we compare it to the boxing example, it’s as if the two contenders played poker in the middle of the ring. Then the audience would be like “sir, this is a poker tournament.” So, no. Not the same.

                  The second one is still a debate. The neighbor is deranged, but there is a procedure, the neighbor didn’t follow the usual rules, and it didn’t help him at all.

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                  Well, like I said, that’s your opinion. A bit dense in my own opinion, but if it’s yours, it’s yours.

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    Anywhere AND anyplace? Stable genius. Given his bouts with slurring and dementia I’d like to see him get shredded by Biden.

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    I’m baffled that the republicans thought putting a senile proven fraudster, insurrectionist and sexual predator with a bunch of pending court cases against him was a good idea…