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    Wtf. Why didn’t you mention the cringe lord emperor striker?!

    Edit: using my mod powers to get attention.

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    Me as an instance admin sitting here reading about how Lemmy doesn’t have trolls and Russian bots, while I’m in a chat with other instance admins and mods where we need to actively coordinate to fight the trolls and Russian bots 😐

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      Yeah… OP is blind to the massive Kremlin and CCP propaganda problem here in the Fediverse.

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        After hexbear got defederated from most of the major instances, the fucking losers just make alts on different instances so they can continue defending that propaganda filled shithole. Now .ml seems like the new worst, no matter what you do these no-life losers will find a way to spread their bullshit.

        Takes much more effort to try and stop them than it does for these losers to make alts unfortunately.

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          I was under the impression that the .ml admins actually promote them because it’s run by people from Hexbear.

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            It’s a bit more mask on, and there’s a few legit communities there, as opposed to Hexbear where the entire instance has a stated goal.

            But it’s pretty bad.

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            Ml is run by the creators of Lemmy, and hexbear is well… Not. Hexbear made their own fork of lemmy a long time ago and only in the past year or so have they been actually able to federate at all. I don’t see the creators of Lemmy going through all that effort to hide their identities if they were actually running hexbear behind the scenes

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          They’re not just some losers sitting on their mom’s basements, they’re paid or programmed to spread disinformation and division.

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            By a con­tin­u­ous shift­ing of rhetor­i­cal focus, the ene­mies are at the same time too strong and too weak.

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        Somewhere in Moscow, there’s a big red phone that connects to its counterpart in Beijing, where Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping discuss the latest attempts to influence an indie reddit spin-off with an elaborate network of Markov Chain LLMs producing comments like “I wish y’all wouldn’t be so nakedly racist towards people from other countries.”

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            Am I denying the existence of a branch of international foreign intelligence dedicated specifically to Lemmy.world?

            Yes. 100%. Absolutely.

            It’s pure paranoia.

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      Welcome to IT. If everything is on fire, they ask why you’re even here, and if everything is ready for the fire and there’s nothing left to do, they also ask why you’re even here

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        That’s honestly pretty amazing that you’ve been here a year and haven’t seen a troll! Though you’re on an instance with a very active and determined admin, there is definitely a difference in how much you see between instances because of how removals work.

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        You guys are pretty proactive about blocking and defederating bad faith instances, or even ones not doing enough to deal with bad actors. You were one of the first to defederate Hexbear, and I think you even defederated world at one point?

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    Well except for the entire population of Hexbear and the 'Grad…

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        Last I checked hexbear had something like 70% more total comments than lemmy.world despite only having a tiny fraction of the users. Sounds like bots to me

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          Plus whenever somebody talks ill about the CCP over there they get barraged by copypasta responses. Their posts mirror popular posts on other servers, and generally lack any form of real discussion. The place looks like the bottiest of all instances and nothing can change my mind.

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        A lot of troll accounts are semi-automated. They run a script that detects certain keywords, and posts premade replies to them (nowadays said premade replies are being finetuned with generative AI to look less uniform), also a human is watching over them to ensure both correct operation and to overtake in case of emergency.

        Source: My father’s ex-girlfriend’s ex-boyfriend was (is) a paid online troll for Fidesz. They also had Discord (later Matrix if I recall) servers for organizing mass reports, downvotes, angry/haha react campaigns, often they also did some “private doxxing”.

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      And large parts of .ml, which is the bridge for hexbear to all the instances which defederated with them.

      It really does feel like hexbear users are probably high fiving each other over their cubicle walls in Vladivostok. The admin openly states their goal is information warfare.

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      I’m convinced those people have to be elaborate trolls. Like the flat earthers.

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        nah - they are very real. Maybe sock puppets but real. I imagine them like rich 15 year old kids beeing “rad and cool”

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          Idk ozma was pushing a super hard the left should protest vote or not vote before getting called out in every thread. They have been slowly evolving the shill to be less and less obvious. Even started posting memes and other content to try and get the political agenda across without posting negative articles. Now the message isnt the very obvous up front don’t vote, but they are just “critical of Biden,” yet have nothing to say about anyone else. Doesn’t seem like an edgy kid to me.

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            Hey, I’m here! I said vote for whoever you want or don’t vote, that’s democracy.

            I’ve said over and over I’m a gay guy living in the Los Angeles area and far left. I keep sounding the alarm Biden will lose to Trump but nobody wants to listen to me.

            And then, the debate tonight everyone is surprised Pikachu face now.

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            Is Biden complicit in the Genocide of Palestinians?

            No everyone pointing this out is a Russian bot.

            This thread is top tier Blue MAGA.

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              Weird how I didn’t say either of those things. Also pretty hypocritical to not like what I said, put words in my mouth, and then call me Blue MAGA. Really helps your point.

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                Now the message isnt the very obvous up front don’t vote, but they are just “critical of Biden,”

                What were you trying to dogwhistle?

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                  Love how you quickly diverted from the hypocrisy of putting words in my mouth and then do the exact thing you seem to be crying about of labeling me Blue MAGA because I said something you didn’t like. In the US we have a FPTP voting system. We do not have a luxury of choosing the best candidate, but the lesser of 2 evils. So pretending that protesting voting or not voting is standing for a cause is a joke and disingenuous. All it does is help the opposition party. You can be critical all you want but don’t pretend to be liberal when you know a protest vote or not vote helps the other party. The message was very clear they didn’t want people to vote. Now they are trying to be more subtle about it. But sure lets be a 1 issue voter and pretend a Trump presidency would be better for the social issues everyone crying Blue MAGA seems to care so much about.

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              There are still clowns who think that if they say “Blue MAGA” enough people will believe it’s real? Checks the username, oh, of course, it’s one of the regulars lol.

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      It’s super neat being in a different federation group than other posters, I have no idea what the bad places are like

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        World and Hexbear are both liberal cesspits. One is full of centrists who think they’re leftists, and one is full of conservatives who think they’re communists.

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          Look, you haven’t sold me on the idea, but I’m going to upvote you because, if nothing else, this is an original take.

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              This just pretends democratic socialism doesn’t exist. Like there’s nothing between liberal and ML communist.

              So, you are saying that if someone wants the same end goal as you, but has a differing opinion on how we accomplish that, you insult them. I’m sure you change a lot of minds and make a lot of friends with your method.

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                There is nothing between liberal and ML “communist”. They’re the same. Democratic socialism is to the left of both of those, and anarchist ideologies such as anarcho-communism, syndicalism, and mutualism are to the left of that. See, demsocs may not be the biggest fans of Marx, but they adhere far more closely to his ideas than Stalinists do.

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                  I see now. Intriguing take you have. It’s different than the way everybody else classifies things, but I guess I can see where you are coming from. In my opinion, ML theory is pretty left leaning when it comes to economics and the end goal of it, but the authoritarian plan for transitioning to it does not align with most other leftist virtues and ideas.

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      Ok, so I’m not the only one who noticed that their spam has a weird taste to it. It’s got that vibe of some agreeable left-wing content but then feels likes it only there to mask authoritarian narrative building.

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      @SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world is a maga troll that loves giving the Jan 6th traitors kisses on their little traitor faces

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        She’s more of a Devils advocate. Just stating the wrong opinion for others to explain what’s right. There’s never any clever comeback, so I kind of think that’s the reason for her to shitpost so heavily.

        I’ve blocked plenty of trolls here, but not her, yet.

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    I’d estimate blocking ozma has reduced the amount of “Trump and the GOP may be attempting to install a fascist dictatorship but Biden’s old” nonsense in my feed by 95%.

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      Ah yes, “old”, the only criticism of Biden that does or could ever exist.

      You could’ve talked about the genocide, but that would’ve made it sound less frivolous now, wouldn’t it?

      Edit: For all the people who don’t like people talking about actual genocide that Biden is supporting, minimising the seriousness of a genocide because you think you have a good reason for it is still genocide denial. You have become genocide deniers for the sake of the dubious shift in votes from whatever population of voters you think will see you doing genocide denial and think “actually they have a point I’ll vote for Biden now”.

      Edit 2: Your case isn’t helped by the fact that the only person arguing with me did so with genocide denial. Think about that.

      Edit 3: The other person arguing is also doing genocide denial, but the oblique kind where you pretend that the only reason to criticise a sitting US president engaging in genocide is because you want him to lose an election. Almost like they’re denying that we should hold people accountable for genocide on its own merits. That is, and I cannot stress this enough, genocide denial.

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        And don’t forget capitalist Joe. Nobody is talking about the actual capitalism Joe is supporting because you think you have a good reason for it.

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          I’m assuming “you” in this case is the general “you”, because I absolutely do hate him for that as well. Yeah, Joe is a neoliberal capitalist, but nobody doing genocide denial on his behalf is going to be worried about that charge.

          You point out that they’re genocide deniers and you get the person who responded to me fretting about whether we should really call it a genocide. You know, doing genocide denial, because people who have painted themselves into that corner aren’t going to stop doing genocide denial, they’ll keep showing you who they really are. That’s damning to anyone who’s really paying attention.

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            Actually I’m just pointing out that you’re complaining about something that won’t change. You can complain about Biden being a capitalist but every final presidential candidate has been a capitalist for I don’t even know for how many decades. You’re complaining into the void because unless the system itself changes there’s no chance to have a socialist president.

            Similarly you’re complaining about Biden supporting genocide but the alternative, Trump, has pretty much said he will go gloves off and give Israel whatever they need. In fact you probably couldn’t find a president in the last 20 years who wouldn’t be supporting Israel. It’s not a specific president or presidential candidate that is supporting genocide, it’s the entire system. The only thing you realistically accomplish by complaining about Biden is sowing division.

            As for the “genocide deniers”, well some people are just dumb and we have to accept that.

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              Actually I’m just pointing out that you’re complaining about something that won’t change.

              The only thing you realistically accomplish by complaining about Biden is sowing division.

              I don’t know about that, I think political possibility goes beyond who will be convinced to change their vote because you told people to stop complaining about Biden.

              Like for instance, you acknowledging that the US is going to do genocide no matter what seems like a pretty damning thing to say, no? Seems like something worth saying. Seems like maybe we should condemn people who do genocide, or are willing to helm a nation that will make them complicit in genocide no matter what, because those are people that are going to do a genocide. Seems like maybe getting people on board with a system change involves pointing out that it is an inexorable genocide machine. And if that’s what it takes to stop the genocides - and you seem to agree with me on this - then maybe we should, I don’t know, talk about it?

              Pretending that the entire value in discussing genocide starts and ends with who will be elected president is pretty minimising to the importance of the, you know, genocide. Seems like a kind of genocide denial to me.

              As for the “genocide deniers”, well some people are just dumb and we have to accept that.

              I’m yet to find a comment section that isn’t full of you fuckers.

              I think if you think you need to do this to get someone elected, that’s actually counterproductive. Like maybe people associating Biden with genocide denial is going to make it harder for them to hold their nose and vote strategically like you want. It’s very hard to imagine the voter who would care about the genocide and yet be fooled into voting for Biden because people kept his genocide support on the down-low. Seems like you’re cutting off little pieces of your soul for the sake of a strategy that isn’t going to really work, unless you’ve got an A-to-B for me on how telling people to stop complaining about Biden’s genocide support helps him win election.

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                I’m yet to find a comment section that isn’t full of you fuckers.

                I’m going to start from here because this is how you show how disingenuous you are. I straight up said I don’t agree with the genocide deniers and what do you do? You still lump me in with them. Your entire mindset here is “If they don’t agree with me they must be genocide deniers”. Fuck off with that shit.

                I don’t know about that, I think political possibility goes beyond who will be convinced to change their vote because you told people to stop complaining about Biden.

                Like for instance, you acknowledging that the US is going to do genocide no matter what seems like a pretty damning thing to say, no? Seems like something worth saying. Seems like maybe we should condemn people who do genocide, or are willing to helm a nation that will make them complicit in genocide no matter what, because those are people that are going to do a genocide.

                Political possibilities goes beyond when you stop complaining about a part of the problem and start criticizing the problem as a whole. Biden is only a part of the problem, the real problem is that the majority political landscape of US supports Israel. You can’t even get a real presidential candidate who would oppose Israel because it would go against the party line. And yet you’re convinced it’s Biden you should be complaining about.

                Seems like maybe getting people on board with a system change involves pointing out that it is an inexorable genocide machine. And if that’s what it takes to stop the genocides - and you seem to agree with me on this - then maybe we should, I don’t know, talk about it?

                Which is why you should talk about all the politicians supporting the genocide and not just focus on one. Why aren’t you complaining about Trump? Why aren’t you complaining about Mitch McConnell or Chuck Schumer? Why aren’t you complaining about everyone in congress who voted to aid Israel? Why is it that you only complain about Biden?

                I think if you think you need to do this to get someone elected, that’s actually counterproductive. Like maybe people associating Biden with genocide denial is going to make it harder for them to hold their nose and vote strategically like you want. It’s very hard to imagine the voter who would care about the genocide and yet be fooled into voting for Biden because people kept his genocide support on the down-low. Seems like you’re cutting off little pieces of your soul for the sake of a strategy that isn’t going to really work, unless you’ve got an A-to-B for me on how telling people to stop complaining about Biden’s genocide support helps him win election.

                It’s not about getting Biden elected, it’s about making sure Trump does not get elected. That’s what your elections have always been about, voting against the guy you hate more. If you don’t vote for Biden you’re indirectly voting for Trump because the system boils down to you either get Biden or you get Trump. And it doesn’t matter who gets elected, America will still support genocide. This vote isn’t about genocide, it’s about whether American will get a fascist leader or not. You can sit on your high horse and talk about how people are cutting off pieces of their soul “for strategy”, but don’t be surprised when genocide continues and you get fascism shoved down your throat.

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                  Your entire mindset here is “If they don’t agree with me they must be genocide deniers”.

                  I explained how you were doing genocide denial. You said that complaining about Biden is only “sowing division”. So that means that we shouldn’t criticise him for his genocide. Denying that a genocide should be criticised on its own merits is a form of genocide denial. Not all genocide denial is “this genocide didn’t happen”. In fact most of it isn’t. Most of it is politically motivated muddying of the waters, like what you did.

                  And yet you’re convinced it’s Biden you should be complaining about.

                  Because he is the president and the person in the greatest position of power to do something about it, and yet he refuses.

                  Why aren’t you complaining about Trump? Why aren’t you complaining about [whatabout whatabout whatabout]

                  Because none of those people is currently the US president.

                  Also, the original comment I replied to was about how people are just complaining that Biden is “old”. I was pointing out that this person was clearly deliberately avoiding the main criticism, which is of course the genocide.

                  It’s not about getting Biden elected, it’s about making sure Trump does not get elected.

                  That’s just the same thing said two ways. Most people who vote for Trump don’t like him much either, they just think they have to get Biden out. This is how the two-party system captures your political imagination and makes you police other people to tell them not to criticise your candidate. You’ve fallen for its trap.

                  And the idea that nothing can be changed without system change is actually false. Popular opposition has won basically all the victories worth noting in liberal democracies. They weren’t handed down from the legislature, they were fought for from the bottom up. But if people won’t stand up and full-throated condemn the one person most responsible for the current iteration of this genocide, then he won’t feel any pressure to do anything about it.

                  And if he doesn’t stop his genocide support - for real, not just a token “hey now jack stop that” - then I won’t be surprised when he loses to Trump, because he chose to support fascism overseas and thus willingly lost to fascism at home.

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        It just doesn’t seem like full genocide yet. Genocide light? You may be proved right but I just haven’t seen it. I’m not there though and I’m not smart. There’s a difference between lining everyone up and killing them and starving them while doing military stuff. You may say there isnt a difference, but those are different things to me. Please don’t get me wrong I think what is going on, seemingly for political reasons, is very wrong and bad. But genocide is about the worst so it’s hard be that bad.

        Bring on the downvotes.

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          It just doesn’t seem like full genocide yet. Genocide light?

          Oh dear, oh no, genocide is such a strong word for aerial bombing of civilians, denying them aid, targeting hospitals, sniping children, burying them in mass graves and killing more children than in all global conflicts over the last four years combined, all with the explicit goal of wiping out their people group and displacing them from their homeland. It’s just, oh no, I wouldn’t want to say mean words about the people doing all of that, because that might be unfair to the mass child slaughterers. There isn’t worse than this. This is genocide.

          Holocaust deniers don’t call themselves “deniers” either, they start organisations like the “Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust”. That’s a real thing, you can look it up, it’s disgusting.

          You just did genocide denial.

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    Even without any karma system, interacting with the users here is a breath of fresh air. Lemmy has the least shills and bots compared to the poison in most other platforms. It’s currently Lemmy’s best asset and where it stands out from all existing social media imo, and I hope it remains this way.

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    The tragic thing, though, is that if lemmy ever “takes off”, there’s nothing about it that will make it any more resistant to bots and trolls.

    It’s kinda like back when Macs had no viruses, because nobody bothered.

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      I disagree. Lemmy is more resistant to bots because there’s no perverse incentive to boost user activity numbers to please investors and advertisers. Reddit for example doesn’t really care if most comments are fake on a post. It’s still interaction and it pumps numbers. Lemmy is built and run by us. It serves no other masters.

      Given that users naturally self-sort into instances, your trolls are also more likely to congregate on instances and communities that can be blocked. I don’t want to name any names but I do block some instances from my view for a reason. The Russian bots congregate in places that are amenable to this, and the design of Lemmy encourages this self-sorting into places where you’re accepted.

      The problem is still significant, but there are advantages to the fediverse.

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        I think it would be more likely bots would flood instances with posts at a level that was unrealistic for the small scale admins we currently have to combat.

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          There is a bit of a chain of trust, however. Instance fills with spam bots? Defed.
          Spam bots start making their own instances? Go to whitelists.

          And as henfredemars says, because there is no financial incentive to grow the userbase, instances can slow things right down if the spam starts.

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        This’ll probably be an “agree to disagree,” but I think most websites do make good faith efforts to lower bot usage. Not because I trust them or anything, but because the perception that bot spam is out of control is bad for their bottom line. It drives away real users and high bot activity makes advertisers disinclined to trust that the high traffic is of any value.

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      Not only that, but it’s actually a much easier target because of the relatively sporadic moderation.

      Compared to reddit, the Fediverse’s ability to moderate propaganda and advertising is puny and uncoordinated.

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      nah, descentralisation is what help, i already read as article explaining exactly that, lemmy problem is that one of it first instances are full of trolls lol

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      Hexbear is… I’m just old I guess, I don’t understand. My instance is not defederated from them. Whenever I’m reading a post that originates from hexbear, I can always tell. Like it will just hit me and I will look at the source and yep, it’s hexbear.

      But I don’t exactly understand why. I can’t see that they have any particular worldview, they just have a unique (and contrarian) way of expressing… all worldviews, seemingly. It feels like an inside joke that I don’t have enough information about to understand.

      Doesn’t seem like bots, Russian or otherwise. Too vague. Not enough of a directed agenda. Is it just trolls? They seem to earnest to be trolls.

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            It is a tankie wiki, but what a better way to expose their tankie nature than the tankies themself.

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        They’ve chosen a very confrontational path with the way their instance interacts with others, and as a result they get a lot of push back, which just makes them angrier. I suspect anyone trying to be reasonable on the instance gets accused of not being a true believer as well, so only the angriest remain.

        Also, Boost for Lemmy allows you to block an entire instance, it’s pretty handy.

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        Their community came over here long before all us old Redditors and it seems like they’ve cultivated their own culture and in-jokes and such. It can get confusing to pierce all the irony and sarcasm to figure out what they’re saying sometimes.

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        They’re kids that like confrontation. They don’t actually have any agenda other than “this hexbear user said to follow this!” And they jump on it. The next day could be a completely different stance on the subject.

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    Hard disagree. I’m already spending less time here because the Kremlin and CCP propaganda ruins the experience for me. I don’t even consider recommending it to people I know for the same reason.

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        Just because I’m not seeing these comments and posts doesn’t mean other people aren’t. And if they’re seeing it, then they’ll get seduced by the evil tankie mind-control rays. That means I’ve got to start blocking them, too.

        Pretty soon, I’ll be in this shrinking walled garden of fewer and fewer people who say things I approve of. And then what?! I might begin to question my own self-righteousness or engage in some degree of critical reflection of views. That’ll be it. They’ll have gotten to me, too!

        The whole Lemmy.world community needs to be severed from any instance of heresy. Otherwise, my personal views might be put at risk.

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          Wow, for some reason tho you tankies are on the margins of society. You have to hide in some small holes like rats because no one takes you seriously or bans you.

          And yet you claim that we are the ones hiding and protecting our fragile views…

          No. We just want to skip the second hand embarrassment when we see your content.

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            you tankies are on the margins of society

            It’s funny to see a police officer in an MRAP drive down my street, while a guy on the internet insists my problem is that I’m too much of a militant.

            we are the ones hiding and protecting our fragile views…

            Why else invoke admins and mods to protect you?

            We just want to skip the second hand embarrassment

            If you’re feeling shame because you hear someone assert that genocide is bad, that’s not second-hand. That’s your conscience screaming at you.

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              Keep coping but you are incredibly small minority and any sane person just laughs at you so you hide in some niche web communities like hexbear and yet you are still defederated from en masse

              There’s a sign there ‚hidden’ to reevaluate your life. If there’s smell everywhere you go…

              Have you ever considered that maybe… you are wrong? That maybe your idols Marx and Lenin weren’t such visionary geniuses?

              Personally my country had enough of communism for a few lifetimes. Socialism maybe, socialdemocracy yes. Progressiveness big yes. But communism? Get the fuck out from here literally. And I am not kidding. We polish people have this habit to shoot soviets.

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          Just because I’m not seeing these comments and posts doesn’t mean other people aren’t.

          Then join an instance that blocks the instances you don’t like? The main benefit of Lemmy is that there’s many different instances with different moderation approaches.

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      Of course, one of the things about Lemmy is you can’t appeal a mod action (as far as I know)

      JordanLund seems fairly level but once deleted one of my comments for “advocating violence” when I said Nixon and Kissinger should have been hanged for treason. They’re both already dead… And that’s the legal punishment for high treason. Which they did.

      Tl;Dr you can’t get in a mod fight because you can’t fight back

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    SMCF is one of the comfort usernames that I’ve seen around ever since joining Lemmy

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      I tag a lot of people with nicknames. Really makes them stand out a lot more, and when they do the type of content and patterns stick out a lot more.

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      Yeah, there’s a lot of power posters here. PugJesus is an example from the opposite camp, calling out the anti-Democrat propaganda from the two OP mentioned.

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    I see a lot by “the Picard maneuver” or something like that. I can’t remember if I like their posts, but there’s a lot.

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      Tpm is basically porting all old memes from the previous site over. He probably posts 30 a day or smt