• MelastSB@sh.itjust.works
    245·
    12 days ago

    almost every post

    Most posts on Lemmy aren’t about vegans. Are you obnoxiously bringing veganism everywhere with you and wondering why people react negatively?

    I use Arch btw

    • Hellfire103@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      213·
      12 days ago

      I’m not vegan, and the posts aren’t aimed at me. Just have a look at c/lemmyshitpost

      • saltesc@lemmy.world
        23·
        11 days ago

        I don’t think you understand that, like always with the same old small minority of vegans that go out there being cruel to people, these posts are reactive to recent poor behaviour. For this reason, it’s unusual for anyone to empathise with these types of people, regardless of ideology, unless you are in defence of their antagonising of others; which is fine, just don’t be surprised by the ongoing discourse not being in favour of that position.

  • Fleur_@lemm.eeEnglish
    247·
    11 days ago

    I remember the days when the fediverse was such a cool and interesting idea only to watch it become a “woaw vegans dumb amirite” circlejerk

    • Flipper@feddit.org
      72·
      10 days ago

      On my instance a guy opened a community where he posted cooking recipes he liked. There was a vegan that complained that they contained meat. The vegan got a lot of deserved flak for that. Even from other vegans.

        • Flipper@feddit.org
          51·
          10 days ago

          No the problem is that it’s enough if there is one asshat around giving everyone a bad name. Instead of contributing complaints was the only thing added.

          You’re not going to convince convert anyone by attacking them. And now several people had a bad experience and may make these jokes, because for them it’s not a joke, but it is real. Show the alternative that it’s good and easy. Everything else is already a lost battle.

    • ngwoo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      11 days ago

      Every platform needs a terrible meme that never goes away. Reddit picked a shoebox full of semen, we picked cat starvation.

  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
    16·
    12 days ago

    Shitposting sub might not be the best place if you don’t like people taking the piss

  • Prethoryn Overmind@lemmy.world
    11·
    12 days ago

    I love chicken, pork, and beef. I have tried the meat alternatives and I like most of what I have tried. I would be vegetarian if it honestly wasn’t so expensive sometimes. Not to say meat isn’t also expensive.

    I work with a guy who is a vegan and honestly. I don’t get the hate towards the life style. Guy is as healthy as they get and morally more sound in the area of food than I am.

    What am I missing on Vegan hate or even vegetarian hate. No one imposes on me. Honestly, I feel like they have something figured out I dont.

    • jjagaimo@lemmy.ca
      73·
      12 days ago

      There is a small vocal minority that essentially equates anyone who keeps eating meat regardless of circumstances, preference or nuance, [to killers, murderers, etc]. Honestly a large amount of people would take a vegan option if it tasted the same, had the same texture, was as cheap or cheaper than meat, was as accessible, and didn’t require learning a new skill set. There’s also the availability when eating out.

      Antagonizing people like that is a good way to have them disagree out of spite, and the militant vegans always have a way of inserting themselves into every conversation. I had to block people on lemmy because I just didnt want to deal with that here.

      Unfortunately a vegan who is a good person isn’t alwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they get in a non intrusive manner, so people rarely if ever see vegans who are reasonable people relative to vegan extremists.

      • IronKrill@lemmy.ca
        82·
        11 days ago

        Honestly a large amount of people would take a vegan option if it tasted the same, had the same texture, was as cheap or cheaper than meat, was as accessible, and didn’t require learning a new skill set.

        And businesses would stop burning fossil fuels if renewables had the same portability, same output, were cheaper, available everywhere, and didn’t require learning a new skill set. They can still be criticised for doing so, I’m not sure what your point here is?

      • stoly@lemmy.world
        31·
        12 days ago

        Keyword is small. It’s important not to extrapolate against a populace based on the actions of their extremist or reactionary members.

      • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        2·
        12 days ago

        Unfortunately a vegan who is a good person isn’t alwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they get in a non intrusive manner,

        That’s the thing imo, if a vegan is alwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they get then they are by default not a good person even if they do it in a supposed non intrusive manner and are by default vegan extremists imo. Proselytizing is in and of itself intrusive by definition imo, like ads.

    • regnn@infosec.pub
      3·
      12 days ago

      Mostly bandwagon hate because of a vocal minority. TBH I find it amusing the people who really ride it act just like they are complaining about.

      Also strict diets require more nutritional knowledge that some seem to be lacking.

    • general_kitten@sopuli.xyz
      21·
      12 days ago

      The vegan hate likely comes from people who dont really know vegans or only know them from the internet so they only know the vocal minority

    • General_Effort@lemmy.world
      33·
      12 days ago

      They are a small, harmless minority. Isn’t that enough? Maybe it’s made worse by the fact that they are perceived as non-violent and effeminate, because of their strong opposition to suffering, even when the victims are helpless, like animals. There is no personal risk in bullying them. It’s like the hate for environmental activists, trans-women, or liberals in general. I wouldn’t know that vegans aggressively proselytize their life-style if people didn’t aggressively tell me so; something that they share with “the gays”. Of course, people wouldn’t mind if they didn’t shove it in their faces all the time. Where have I heard that before?

      • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
        51·
        12 days ago

        The vocal minority of gays don’t call me a murderer for liking women.

        • blackris@discuss.tchncs.de
          54·
          11 days ago

          Sure, but maybe they would, if you instead of liking ate their body parts and would pay an industry to kill them for that purpose? We can only speculate.

          • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
            51·
            11 days ago

            Yes, I’m quite aware vegans have a reason to be upset. Unfortunately, equating eating meat or drinking milk to personally murderering and torturing animals is not going to earn them any fans, and will in fact push people away from their just cause out of spite.

            That’s not at all relevant to the comment I was responding to, though.

            • General_Effort@lemmy.world
              53·
              11 days ago

              Believing that animals are just like us s hardly and outlandish belief, on the facts. We’re evolutionarily closely related. We have basically the same skeleton. Skull, spine, rib cage, hips, 4 extremities. Arms and legs go: 1 big bone, 2 smaller bones, and lotsa little bones. It looks to be the same with the brain.

              We expect vegans not to blow up slaughterhouses or such. Fair enough. But expecting them to shut up about their beliefs is a bit much, no? Expecting them not to tell people how they feel, not to kiss in public, or hold a pride para… Sorry, wrong prosecuted minority.

              I’ve heard these takes about vegans for literal decades now, and not once has an actual vegan popped up to tell me that I’m a murderer.

              • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                11 days ago

                Okay? The ONLY thing I mentioned was them calling people murderers. Glad you haven’t, but I have had that happen. Another thing I’ve seen that I have issue with is vegans pushing their diets on their carnivorous pets. Like cats. But I have literally no problem with 99% of vegans expressing their beliefs.

                Yes, I’m quite aware vegans have a reason to be upset.

                their just cause

                Like I said. I even think they’re usually in the right. While I’m not a vegan for my own personal reasons, I hope they eventually make a positive change in the world.

        • General_Effort@lemmy.world
          01·
          12 days ago

          Well, it’s what they believe. What exactly is the problem there? I have never been called a murderer. There just aren’t that many vegans around. I don’t know in what kind of circles this would be a common occurrence.

          • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            12 days ago

            Well, it’s what they believe

            I’m sorry but this is a dogshit justification in nearly every situation

            • General_Effort@lemmy.world
              0·
              12 days ago

              At first, I was confused. Isn’t the fact that you believe something the only justification for saying something? I mean, otherwise you’d be lying. But you’re saying you disagree with the belief in the first place, right?

            • General_Effort@lemmy.world
              1·
              11 days ago

              Vegans believe that animals have the same rights to live as humans. A nazi believes that the “others” do not have the same right to live as “his people”.

              I don’t think you’ll be able to convince me that these are morally or ethically equivalent positions. But I see the point. They both believe the wrong thing. The out-group sucks. Yes, I know how humans tick.

              • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
                0·
                11 days ago

                So what you’re saying is, their belief in their position doesn’t make it right/wrong. It’s the position itself that makes it right/wrong. That’s what we’ve been trying to say.

      • GetOffMyLan@programming.dev
        01·
        12 days ago

        Animals massively outnumber us. It’s not our fault they are cowards and can’t organize a rebellion properly.

    • cheesepotatoes@lemmy.world
      22·
      12 days ago

      What am I missing on Vegan hate

      Here specifically or in general? In general, nothing. Most well adjusted people don’t form negative opinions about others based on their dietary choices.

      On Lemmy specifically, the Vegan sub was promoting the idea that feeding obligate carnivores (cats) a strictly vegan diet is a totally rad thing to do. It’s not. They’re going to kill their damn cats.

    • Kalysta@lemm.ee
      25·
      11 days ago

      I don’t hate vegans in general. I hate it when they prostelytize at me and try to shame me into being vegan. And this it the problem many people have. There is a vocal minority of vegans that will attack others for not sharing their lifestyle (I’m looking at you, PETA). I have no interest in giving up meat. I will pick more sustanable meat sources sure, but i will not be attacked for my choices.

      Don’t come after me, I won’t come after you. I likely will even try to bring a vegan option to a pot luck for you.

  • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
    92·
    12 days ago

    It’s because the cat food thing is such a stupid hill to die on. Like if you wanted to engineer a viral marketing campaign to make vegans look dumb, you could not have done a better job.

  • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
    5·
    12 days ago

    And then someone makes a meta post like this, restarting the cycle

  • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
    63·
    12 days ago

    Iirc all the recent hate is focused on vegans who think obligate carnivores can be turned vegan.

    Don’t abuse your pets or just maybe don’t have pets at all.

    • Floey@lemm.ee
      31·
      11 days ago

      What vegan thinks you can turn a cat vegan? That’s like thinking you can turn a cat hegelian or something.

    • leftytighty@slrpnk.netEnglish
      11·
      11 days ago

      it’s possible we’re facing a future in which meat is not sustainable and we won’t want to spare any for cats, it’s something worth studying

    • Revan343@lemmy.ca
      6·
      11 days ago

      The beanposting is unrelated to the vegan drama, Lemmy just really likes beans. It was one of our first home-grown memes

      • AccountMaker@slrpnk.net
        2·
        11 days ago

        And that “no poop challenge” that was everywhere on lemmy about a year ago. Not sure whether that was a lemmy thing or wider, as I don’t use anything besides lemmy.

        I’m glad a local culture is growing here naturally, but I didn’t expect it to be beans, jeans and no poop

        • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
          1·
          10 days ago

          Well the first two make sense because they rhyme

          But the no-poop thing was from some person who absolutely refused to explain why they needed to internally retain their deceased over a long weekend.

    • Woht24@lemmy.world
      2·
      11 days ago

      I’ve been here the whole time and I don’t know what the fuck is going on nor have I seen much of it. Now people complaining about it happening? Oh yeah, I’ve seen heaps of that.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
      1·
      11 days ago

      Some vegans got into a fight over cat food. Whether or not you agree that cats can be fed with vegan alternatives, it’s still just cat food.

    • Crackhappy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      12 days ago

      Vegans really like beans and Lemmy also really likes beans. But not in a began way so they started fighting. There were some riots and a lot of beans were murdered. It was sad.

    • auzy@lemmy.world
      13·
      11 days ago

      A bunch of vegans said they feed their pets only vegan food, whilst they are carnivores. Mod stopped the conv to prevent animal abuse.

      Some Vegans got angry.

      I agree with mods, last thing we need here are echo chambers for dangerous information

  • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    45·
    10 days ago

    Stop insisting people have the right to torture animals.

    Edit: Seems lemmy is worse at context than reddit ever was.

    Feeding cats and other obligate carnivores a vegan diet is torture the same way feeding humans a sawdust only diet would be.

  • 1984@lemmy.today
    01·
    12 days ago

    It’s almost as if people have nothing better to do than to be keyboard warriors online.